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Wehrmacht '47- First Look!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

an olive green base coat may be more appropriate...

http://www.missing-lynx.com/panzer_facts.htm

7th paragraph
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions for the experts out there...

Was the helmet the East German Army used the same helmet design for the Wehrmacht had the war gone on longer?

If so, should not infantry figs in this new line be wearing them?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions for the experts out there...

Was the helmet the East German Army used the same helmet design for the Wehrmacht had the war gone on longer?

If so, should not infantry figs in this new line be wearing them?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions for the experts out there...
Was the helmet the East German Army used the same helmet design for the Wehrmacht had the war gone on longer?
If so, should not infantry figs in this new line be wearing them?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had never really given this type of thing much thought until I first saw the topic come up here awhile ago. Now after following some of the threads on this forum, and seeing the pictures of the models my interested is piqued. I am looking forward to seeing the scenarios in the supplement when that comes out, and want to see more of the E series. Is the supplement going to follow in the direction of the Tac News a few months ago that had the map showing possible new fronts? This stuff is definitely going to get some of my money...the models alone are so cool looking. Nice job, and thanks for trying something new! It looks like this is off to a good start, stay with it and do some Allied stuff and more Germans.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Ok guys, what are the Sdkfz 350s and 351s based on? Reply with quote

Ok guys, I gotta know, what are the Sdkfz 350s and 351s based on? They are very cool designs and my hat is off to you guys at GHQ on the great work, but where did you find the research materials to base the desings on. I've been looking over the internet for reference to these designs and find no pictures and/or written materials on them. They look like a panzer 38t drivetrain but in the german redesign planned for very late in the war? The 351s also look alot like the Sdkft 251s in the top troop carrying area, but with the full tracked drivetrain. So am I close or did you base them on sometthing else? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spock1,

Most sources call the SdKfz 350 and SdKfz 351 the E-5 (short for Entwicklung 5 Ton Series).

Try these websites:
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/entwicklung-series-standard-series.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entwicklung_series

I have a couple of books somewhere with pictures and concept drawings of the E-5 series (SdKfz 350 and SdKfz 351 series) and depending on the version it had four or five road wheels per side. They were an all new designed. Now the starting point for the E-10 was Panzer 38t, but given the amount the changes to the design, one would hardly call it an upgrade of the Panzer 38t.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that does explain it all. I was unaware of the E5 series since most sources write of the E10s and up , but the sites listed do give good information on them.
I also agree with most that the E10 with the adjustable drivetrain would have been a nightmare to maintain/work on in the field. Though the Sweds did make the S Tank work for them during the cold war.
Now that we have seen the Germans, let us hope that the Allies are not far behind and, perhaps, the Japanese?
Nothing would be more interesting than invading Japan and having all thier late war stuff waiting for us!
Thanks! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: German documents indicate 5 PzKw V for each SdKfz 251/20 Reply with quote

The Wehrmacht 47 packet includes eight of each. Could the other seven SdKfz 251/20
be used to direct 32 other panzers, stugs or jagds? I know they comunicated over FuG5 radio set so as long as the units in question had the FuG5 radio set their fire could be directed by the UHU. Am I correct in this assumption? Question
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: WM47 Hungarians Reply with quote

I too would love to see the Hungarian end of war prototypes, the TAS 44M tank (as good as a Panther), the 44M TAS assault gun (bit like a StuG with more armour and 88mmL56 gun), Turan III, Toldi III, Salashi Needle 215mm A/T rockets on APC hull and on Protz truck, Lehel APC. I have plans and/or pics of all of these if GHQ ever need them

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Hungarian 47? Reply with quote

That would be a complete waste of valuable casting. GHQ would be much better off dealing with the complete German plans and the Allied responses.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think everything should be considered in this range. All nations of the Axis and Allies. I'm not sure how involved GHQ plans to get, but I would be in favor of Hungarian armor. Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Re: Ok guys, what are the Sdkfz 350s and 351s based on? Reply with quote

[quote="spock1"]Ok guys, I gotta know, what are the Sdkfz 350s and 351s based on? They are very cool designs and my hat is off to you guys at GHQ on the great work, but where did you find the research materials to base the desings on. I've been looking over the internet for reference to these designs and find no pictures and/or written materials on them. They look like a panzer 38t drivetrain but in the german redesign planned for very late in the war? The 351s also look alot like the Sdkft 251s in the top troop carrying area, but with the full tracked drivetrain. So am I close or did you base them on sometthing else? Wink[/quote]

They all appear to be based on the 38D a redesigned 38t chassis using parts that the
german industries could produce with the tooling in use .
The chassis was longer in length , with wider tracks a more powerfull engine
and armor given more of a slope on the glacis and side plates .The front armor
being proof against 3.7/4cm weapons and side plates rear plates proof against armour piercing bullets.
Hope this is of help


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: wehrmacht 47 first look Reply with quote

These two types could also add scope the German range ,
The kugelblitz 38D SdKfz350 /with kugelblitztwin 3cm guns
The Panther 5.5cm Zwilling Flakepanzer proposed to replace the Coelian 3.7cm Panther
because of its more powerfull guns.
These two would be very usefull for fending off Jabos at low /medium height .
Really looking forward to the new Range Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SdKfz 350/351 (E-5) chassis was a new design. The E-10 chassis was based on the Pz38; however, the chassis was lengthen and widen. The new designation for the chassis was Panzer38d versus the former designation of Panzer38t.

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