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MechCommander
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:56 pm    Post subject: COIN Aircraft Reply with quote

Aside from the Dragonfly and the Bird dog, what other COIN Aircraft do you want to see GHQ make?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

COIN Aircraft I would like to see: This list is limited to fixed-wing types. Unless otherwise noted, these are USA types.
First of all, the three major “gunships” developed by/for the US:
• Douglas AC-47 Spooky
• Fairchild AC-119G Striker/AC-119K Stinger (visually differ in that AC-119K had booster turbojets under the wings)
• Lockheed AC-130 Spectre
Next, some types that have seen significant use: Some of these are converted trainer types, others are purpose-built.
• BAC Strikemaster (UK)
• Cessna O-2 Skymaster
• North American Rockwell OV-10 Bronco
• FMA IA 58 Pucarα (Argentina)
• Embraer EMB 312 Tucano (Brazil)
• Grumman OV-1 Mohawk
Finally, some lesser-used types or types still in development:
• AHRLAC Holdings Ahrlac (South Africa)
• Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine
• Cavalier Turbo Mustang III/Piper PA-48 Enforcer
• Embraer A-29 Super Tucano (originally Brazil, but developed for US)
• Fairchild AU-23 Peacemaker
• Helio AU-24 Stallion
• SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 (Italy)
• Soko J-20 Krguj (Yugoslavia/Serbia)
• TAI Hόrkuş (Turkey)
• Textron Airland Scorpion
• UTVA Kobac (Serbia)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beat me to the punch on about 1/3 of those. Plus a DH-2 Beaver, DH-5 Caribou, some Soviet ones like the An-2 and I am sure they had some other light attack planes which I can't remember now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My pick is the Ground attack version of the CT-114 Tutor trainer, the CL-42G.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MechCommander wrote:
My pick is the Ground attack version of the CT-114 Tutor trainer, the CL-42G.


Except it was rarely if ever used as such. Much as I would like a Tutor the Stikemaster was used, by many and would have more likelihood of sales.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry mech I have to agree, the Tudor only found one export customer in Malaysia.
There is a 1/300 model of a BAC Strikemaster from the UK I think. If you really fancy some Tutors put a T tail on one of those and it would be much the same at this scale.

In terms of a COIN/light attack that may sell well for GHQ I think the BAe Hawk (1,000+ sold) or the Aero L-39 Albatros (almost 3,000 sold) would be my two cents worth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok aside from the Tutor, What about the french CM-170 Magister jet trainer?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MechCommander wrote:
Ok aside from the Tutor, What about the french CM-170 Magister jet trainer?


That has shown up in a few "in theatre" pictures I have seen including, if not mistaken, Biafra.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread makes me want to watch Wild Geese. Anyone remember that flick from 1978? I believe this is a Cessna 310 with some napalm:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are External fuel pods Redleg.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the fuselage? In the movie they dropped it and it skipped down a dry riverbed and then napalmed all over the damn place as the mercenaries were crossing a bridge.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so that is napalm underneath the Cessna. It’s surprising that GHQ has not done more of this light aircraft.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Additions, incorporating suggestions from madman, 7.62, and MechCommander: Some of these are unarmed STOL transports. Others are advanced trainers that have been (or could have been) armed as light attack types
• Aero L29 Delfin (Czechoslovakia)
• Aero L-39 Albatros (Czechoslovakia)
• Aero L-159 Alca (Czechoslovakia)
• Aeromacchi MB-339 (Italy)
• Antonov An-2 [Colt] (USSR)
• BAE Hawk (UK)
• CASA C-101 Aviojet (Spain)
• Cessna 208 Caravan (AC-208 Combat Caravan – Iraqi conversion)
• Dassault/Dornier Alpha Jet (France, Germany)
• de Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver (U-6 in USA service)
• de Havilland Canada DHC-3 Otter (U-1 in USA service)
• de Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou (C-7 in USA service)
• de Havilland Canada DHC-5 Buffalo (C-8 in USA service)
• Dornier Do27(Germany, Spain)
• Fouga CM.170 Magister (France)
• Max Holste MH.1521 Broussard (France)
• Pilatus PC-6 Porter (AU-23A in USA service)
• Scottish Aviation Pioneer
• Soko G-2 Galeb / J-21 Jastreb (Yugoslavia)
• Yakovlev Yak-130 [Mitten] (Russia)

Finally, some lesser-used types or types still in development:
• AHRLAC Holdings Ahrlac (South Africa)
• Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine
• Cavalier Turbo Mustang III/Piper PA-48 Enforcer
• Embraer A-29 Super Tucano (originally Brazil, but developed for US)
• Fairchild AU-23 Peacemaker
• Helio AU-24 Stallion
• SIAI-Marchetti SF.260 (Italy)
• Soko J-20 Krguj (Yugoslavia/Serbia)
• TAI Hόrkuş (Turkey)
• Textron Airland Scorpion
• UTVA Kobac (Serbia)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the B-26K Counter Invader. It should be an easy mod for GHQ to produce.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might as well add the CT-114 Tutor, sure they where not exported well, but it’s perfect for those interested in doing the snowbirds aerobatics team.
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