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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

General Thornton, I think part of the problem that Canada has is that there are no standards of warfare. There are the Geneva and Hague Conventions, local rules of engagement, and some other guidelines and laws, but there is no standard way to fight. Being inventive and acting unexpectedly is a very big advantage for any combatant.

As we mentioned, don’t try to reinvent the wheel. If you are going to be fighting in an urban environment do some research. What lessons can you learn from US combat in Iraq? What can you learn from the Israelis in the occupied territories? What can you learn from the Brits in Northern Ireland? Find out what has worked in the past and tailor it to your situation. And I know you don’t want to hear this – but you need to be willing to talk to them as well.

And if you don’t know what to expect….do some research. Talk to some people. Special operations or reconnaissance troops can get into an area and learn a lot about the enemy. You can also get intel from third parties. In the case of Mauritania, you could have asked the CoC about it – it’s their territory after all. You need to stop being so stubborn and fixed in your thinking. You don’t have to like the CoC, but is holding a grudge worth the lives of your troops?

Major Connor, the tooth to tail ratio isn’t related to the supply lines from Canada to the battlefield. Tooth to tail is the ratio of combat troops to support troops. For example, an infantry squad is 100% tooth – everyone in the squad fights. Jump up a few levels to an infantry company and you still have a high tooth to tail ratio because most of the troops fight, but you now have support troops like a supply sergeant and a commo sergeant. Jump up to the battalion level and now you have a HQ company with a staff, medical platoon, maintenance platoon, and supply troops. Jump up to division level and now you are dealing with entire battalions of troops that do not fight. As you deploy troops, your tooth to tail ratio will be reduced and lean further toward the tail because you need more and more people to support the combat troops.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Day 3 Afternoon Session: Canada’s Army

We already talked a lot about the warrior ethos and about making your troops physically and mentally tough. The army is more than just infantry though.

Here are a few ideas to discuss this afternoon:

• Establish a force structure. Know what makes up each unit and each echelon. It doesn’t cut it to say that you are deploying 10,000 people. WHO are they? Is it an infantry division? If so, what is in the division? Artillery? Aviation? Medical units? What kind of vehicles do they have? Do you have organic fuel trucks or do you need to bring in extra support units?
• Train as you fight. Make your training tough and realistic. Hell, make it unrealistic by making it tougher than real combat.
• Don’t neglect your specialty troops. You need air defense. You need medical troops. You need communications guys. Special operations troops are very valuable. You need a lot of ** CENSORED ** to support your army.
• Don’t neglect your infantry. Spend lavishly on them and train them to lead. Don’t treat them like mindless cannon fodder. They are incredibly flexible and they can be a very powerful branch of the Army if you let them.
• Treat all of your troops with dignity and respect, regardless of rank or position.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(General Thornton): "I never heard of this Special Operations force before, what are they?

(Major Tim Connor): "In the New Canadian Army our Infantry Regiments is trained and structured into one specific area, from Line Infantry, to Heavy Weapons, etc with the exception being Rappelling and Parachuting as thats carried out by the Regiments attached to the RCAF and Diving done by Regiments attached to the RCN.

Armored Vehicle Regiments are trained in roles based on what vehicle they are using, ADATS for Air Defense, Ferret Scout Cars for Photo Recon, Leapord 2s for Front Line combat, etc. It allows the Administration to keep their paper work in order. how can we do things differently?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

General,m if you've never heard of special operations than it's time for you to retire.

It sounds like you acquire vehicles and then try to figure out how to organize them. We recommend reversing the process. Decide what capabilities you want, and then select vehicles to fit the role. For example, if you want an armored regiment with main battle tanks and a light armored reconnaissance vehicles, decide on a TO&E first and then select the tanks and the light armor to meet your needs.

Also, so said previously that you are familiar with combined arms operations. Well, organize your units for combined arms operations. You don't need a heavy weapons regiment. Build light infantry regiments with a heavy weapons company and a HQ company. You can always look at existing militaries that do things well to see how they organize their forces and either copy them or take some lessons learned from them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[GM’s Note: I’ll be at the beach ALL DAY today so I’m posting the topics for both sessions in the morning]


Day 4 Morning Session: Canada’s Air Force

We spoke about the Army being physically and mentally tough, but what about the Air Force? A bunch of ** CENSORED ** and technical guys supporting pilots right? Maybe, but who is going to defend the air base in the event of an attack? How long will ordnance teams be able to keep hanging bombs and missiles on aircraft when you’re operating around the clock? You probably don’t need to conduct 12-mile marches with your maintenance teams, but being physically and mentally tough is a benefit to them.

Here are a few points to discuss this morning:

• Establish a force structure. Know what makes up each unit and each echelon. How many aircraft is in a fighter wing and what type of aircraft? All fighters or are there EW aircraft as well? Transports? Rotary wing? Are the maintenance troops and security troops organic to the wing or are they from another unit? Where are the engineers when a hole gets blown in the runway and you need to fix it?
• Train as you fight. For the air force, that means getting into the air. Simulators are cheaper, but nothing beats actually flight time. Go up against real pilots for training. Try to attack real ground targets that are defended by real air defense units. It will give you an edge over air forces that are more concerned about fuel and maintenance costs than about combat readiness. Train the ground crews and support personnel too. Can they refuel your aircraft with full chemical defense suits and gas masks on?
• Don’t forget about logistics for the Air Force too. If you are operating from an overseas air base, how are you getting fuel to the planes? How about bombs and bullets? And don’t forget to feed all of the ground crews and support personnel.
• Work with the Army. Get used to each other so that you can support the ground troops with Close Air Support and Air Interdiction. Train with them often.



Day 4 Afternoon Session: Canada’s navy

Now what about the Navy being physically and mentally tough? You said that they only need to learn how to fire the ship’s guns. But what about when your ship is hit? Do you have the stamina to fight a fire all day and all night? There really isn’t much choice because if you stop fighting the fire your ship will sink. Do you have the mental fortitude to seal a water-tight hatch to keep the ship afloat, knowing that there are human beings on the other side that will die? And unless you have robots on board to stow all of your supplies and ammunition, you will be humping giant shells and boxes of supplies all over the ship during replenishment.

Here are a few ideas that we would like to discuss:

• Establish a force structure. When you send a fleet out to sea, what kinds of ships does it include? What capabilities? Does it include aircraft or submarines? You need to figure it out before you leave port.
• Don’t forget logistics for the Navy. Do you have support ships with the fleet? You won’t be able to replenish 14 or 16 inch ammunition at most naval bases other than your own.
• Even modern warships move relatively slow. The Earth is quite big. Plan ahead because it will take you a while to get anywhere.
• Treat your enlisted soldiers with respect and dignity, regardless of rank or position.


There is no itinerary for tomorrow morning. Is there anything else that you would like to discuss? Any questions that you have for us? We left it open so that we had some flexibility for the discussions, but if we are finished with them, we can head over to Erinsburg early for the BBQ and concert. The rock band Strawberry Mackerel will be playing and we don’t want to miss that!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(General May): "Whats Electronic Warfare? That sounds like a work of science fiction? As for providing Close Air Support and Air Interdiction with the Canadian Army, The RCAF does have 2 Infantry Regiments of our own that are trained to carry out those two tasks in order to support the Canadian Army, The Rocky Mountain Rangers, and the Canadian Airborne Regiment they have the equipment necessary to act as Forward Air Observers, so our Fighters can perform airstrikes."

(Admiral Kirk): "The RCN does have Replenishment Ships as part of the support squadron, though there usually kept in the back of the fleet to avoid and attack by enemy warships or ground based weapons, the Majority of our ships is largely made up of WW2 survivors that had received upgrades to extent their service lifes, and Cold War era vessels, Guided Missile ships are few and far between, as for Aircraft we have only two Carriers that can carry Jet aircraft the old light Carrier HMCS Bonaventure, and the super carrier HMCS Canada, the rest of the Carrier fleet launches ether prop driven aircraft and or Helicopters...And its for the best if you keep the subject of enlist crew trapped behind water tight doors to yourself, as that topic disturbs the gentleman who serves as officers of the RCN."

(Major Tim Conner): "There is still one topic that General Thornton brought up, What is a Special Operations force? and how can we fit such a thing in our current military organization under the rules of Conventional Warfare?"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys don't have Google in Canada?

Electronic Warfare (EW) represents the ability to use the electromagnetic spectrum—signals such as radio, infrared or radar—to sense, protect, and communicate. At the same time, it can be used to deny adversaries the ability to either disrupt or use these signals.

If you don't even know what it is, we recommend that you purchase the EW equipment rather than try to make it yourselves. Get the seller to throw in training for the crews in how to use it.


Special operations are unconventional missions carried out by dedicated elite forces using specialized tactics and resources.

The first step to building a special operations force is to have a pool of competent infantry to draw candidates from for additional training. In theory the spec ops guys can come from any branch, but we recommend getting your infantry up to par first and then use them to recruit special operators.


Air interdiction (AI), also known as deep air support (DAS), is the use of preventive aircraft attacks against enemy targets that are not an immediate threat, in order to delay, disrupt, or hinder later enemy engagement of friendly forces.

The big difference between close air support and air interdiction is that close air support targets enemy units that are engaged with friendly troops. Air interdiction targets enemy units further back, and therefor you will not have any ground control elements to direct the aircraft.


You need to toughen your naval officers up. God forbid they should be disturbed by the reality of naval warfare.


There are no rules of conventional warfare. You need to understand that as long as you are not committing a war crime of some sort, there are not many restrictions on how to fight. This is not boxing - this is trying to kill the enemy faster and in greater numbers that he kills you.


And on that note we are off to the park for the BBQ and concert. Come join us for some hot dogs and burgers. maybe have a few cold beers and smoke a joint before you catch your plane back home.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Major Tim Connor): Thank you for the meeting, well will review your ideas and suggestions in our Armed Forces Council meeting back in Ottawa this month.

(General Thornton): "So that's what Special Forces is, not sure how well it would fly, but it will be worth a look.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Canadian forces delegation boards their 707 and leaves for CFB Toronto, while on the plane they review the ideas that the ROD gave to them I'm order for the Canadian Armed Forces to become a Competent fighting force, but these ideas will have to pass with the rest of the Armed forces Council in Ottawa in order for these ideas to be implemented.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an interesting article. A quick read that Canada might find interesting considering their recent activity in Nouakchott. The ROD Infantry School is setting up an office of urban warfare studies (1 major and 2 senior NCOs).

https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2019/07/15/how-our-recent-medal-of-honor-shows-a-weakness-in-military-power/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urban warfare for the New Canadian Army was a grueling one for sure during their operations in Nouakchott, Armored Columns kept getting trapped on the streets, and the infantry did not want to think about entering into a house occupied by the Militants, they simply just fired Grenades and PIAT rounds though the windows of each house to flush them out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Armed Forces Council is holding their week long review on the RODs ideas and suggestions in Ottawa today. check the Canada thread to see the results of their decisions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things are getting spicy in the Persian Gulf region. ROD forces patrolling the area had a run-in with aircraft from the Eurasian Empire this morning over the Strait of Hormuz. No shots were fired. Carrier Battle Group 8 remains in the vicinity of the strait, while the battleship Fenris (BB-11) and the guided missile submarine Wolverine (SSGN-4) push deeper into the Persian Gulf.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The RCAF is asking the ROD if they have any decommissioned EA-6 Prowlers in their inventory, as the Canadian military is looking to conduct testing of this kind of Warfare,
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately the ROD does not have any surplus military aircraft right now. We lost a lot of planes during the New Year War in January and we're still trying to replace the losses, to include a lot of EA-6Bs that were lost in the Indian Ocean.
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