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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: US Vehicle camouflage 1973-1983 Reply with quote

Between 1973 and 1985 (approximately), US vehicles in Germany used two camouflage schemes. The first, a scheme only applied in Germany, the USAREUR scheme, and then, beginning in 1977 for my unit, the MERDC scheme, which was applied Army-wide in different variations. The MERDC sand was not available to 3d BDE when we painted in the Fall of 1977. Also, when we drew M60A2s in 1-32 in Jul, '75, they were dark olive green, and remained so for quite some time. All other vehicles in the unit were USAREUR scheme until the great repainting project in '77. We spent about three months repainting. For interest, you can have some overlap in schemes. Tanks were painted first. The bridges (AVLBs) were done last.

Following are some links to reference for each. I'm sure they can be found on other threads in this forum, but here they are once again.

Good article from Fine Scale Modeler:Includes Fed paint numbers. Keep scrolling down.
cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling-subjects/f/3/t/65759.aspx.
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MERDC: https://sites.google.com/site/merdccamo/home/merdc-camouflage_templates

USAREUR:
www.panzerbaur.de/colours/a_relaunch/us_masster-mbt-m60-a.htm


Any difficulties, let me know.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be just me but links aren't working.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try pasting in search bar. This is the way I copied them from my Kindle. Lmk.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of good info - but the links are not working.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they work if you copy to your search bar? That's what I do.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they don't work on my laptop for me, either. I'll see what I can do and get back to you. .
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the first one, it took me to the home page, then all I had to do was select from the menu on the left.

Still working on the others.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Panzergator

So I can have some of my M60s ( A battalion worth) in the original dark olive green lets say in 82 to 83 ?
And also is MERDC the one with squiggly white and black lines)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fireball, when I arrived in Germany, the USAREUR camo was extant. Didnt ever see OD by then. As we started repainting in Fall of '77 to MERDC, there was a SMALL window where you might have seen a mix of USAREUR and MERDC, but the OD was all overpainted by the USAREUR in the earlier transition. There MAY have been a new issue vehicle somewhere. When M113s replaced the M114s in scout platoons in '75, the M113s were OD until MERDC came along. If a mortar track or M577 were replaced with a new one, it might have been OD for a while. Didnt see any OD tanks, though. When M60A3s and the M1 (105mm) began to arrive, they were factory - issued in medium green and they stayed that way for a while. Once again, the other vehicles in the unit would have been in MERDC as opposed to the new issue tanks. The USAREUR pattern disappeared by the first half of '78. The medium green tanks came along in 1980, but I cant say exactly when because I went Stateside in'78. I did see a couple OD Sheridans in 11th ACR in the midst of a majority of USAREUR-painted ones. Once they were covered in dust, you didn't see much of that expensive camo paint and they were pretty easy to pick out of the wood line.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, no OD tanks mixed in with MERDC (squigglies). No OD in the 80s either. OD prior to '74, USAREUR prior Fall, '77, MERDC up through early 80s, with M1s, M2s, and M60A3s in medium green or MERDC, and NATO after (just a guess) '85.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is more about MERDC...

https://gurth.home.xs4a.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple more suggestions...

To clarify the YEARS US pattern is also referred to as MASSTER, and was in use from about '74 to '77. MERDC replaced it. The NATO 3-color scheme came along about 1985. The desert scheme took over in prep For 1st Gulf, but that's just no fun.

For MASSTER/USAREUR - the pattern used from around 1974 to 1977, search for US Army MASSTER camouflage

For MERDC - search for US MERDC camouflage

Armorama and Fine Scale Modeler forums both have good discussions with illustrations and resources.

Apparently, a company called Orange Line makes a paint set specifically for the MASSTER and MERDC camo patterns. I HAVE NOT tried it yet. They appear to have a type for brush and for airbrush.

I am just trying to get the dark od green right for my A2s.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Panzergator

You have saved me a lot of time chasing this info on the net and also proved my point. there are a lot of knowledgeable people here on this forum with in their field of expertise that it would be a shame not to draw on it.
We need more of the stuff you just put out from everyone be it ww2 toes or modern camo schemes or whatever.
Even if particular topic is not relevant to you it is still an interesting read.
For example if I had to look up and cross reference what you wrote on the modern como it would take me hours if not days and here its straight from the source.
Every one has some field of knowledge that can be imparted for the rest of us... so please more articles on anything you like... except Mickey Mouse.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Panzergator

You have saved me a lot of time chasing this info on the net and also proved my point. there are a lot of knowledgeable people here on this forum with in their field of expertise that it would be a shame not to draw on it.
We need more of the stuff you just put out from everyone be it ww2 toes or modern camo schemes or whatever.
Even if particular topic is not relevant to you it is still an interesting read.
For example if I had to look up and cross reference what you wrote on the modern como it would take me hours if not days and here its straight from the source.
Every one has some field of knowledge that can be imparted for the rest of us... so please more articles on anything you like... except Mickey Mouse.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add to the variety of schemes used by the US Army in Europe: I was assigned to a mech infantry battalion in the 2nd Brigade, 8th Infantry Division and joined the unit in March 1976. All vehicles were OD. They were painted in the four color Winter Verdant MERDC scheme around May 1976. To the best of my recollection, all vehicles I saw from that time going forward were in that scheme, regardless of unit.
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