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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Cav Dog, I would love to see the 3rd ACR info from Desert Storm!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak to MTOE or Desert Storm modifications, but the standard TOE called for 3 squadrons, each having 3 troops containing 2 scout platoons, each with 6 M3s and two tank platoons, each of 4 M1A1s. Each troop had an M107 mortar and a headquarters of an M1A1, an M3, and an M577. I don't know if they passed out maintenance sections to the troops and I don't know all the stuff in HQ troop or squadron headquarters. The squadron also had a 14-tank Armor company (perhaps referred to as a troop by then, although it was a "company" under H series, and an 8-piece 155 SP battery. I don't know what model M109, but at the very least, the A2 was standard. Cavdog's unit was augmented by an additional 155 SP battalion and who knows what else. At the time, tank battalions had 7 M88 recovery vehicles, so the squadron probably had one per company (troop) sized unit, with accompanying M113, perhaps additional ones (2) in support at squadron level. The standard allocation for battalions was 8 M113A2 ambulances and 2 M577 medical platoon vehicles. The augment Arty battalion should have had its own medics, but I don't know what their J TOE called for. I also need to know what was in regimental hq and RHQ company.

Cavdog's input will clarify much for us both. I am looking forward to it.

I understand that the divisional squadrons either got a tank company in support or converted to the ACR-style troop in the course of DESERT STORM, but I haven't seen anything official.

Gosh, I LOVE talking TOE stuff! I can't shut up!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree! This is a fun and informative discussion! I don't know about Desert Storm, but I was at Fort Carson with 3rd ACR in the early 2000s and I know that they had to get rid of their OH58s and their aviation squadron just flew AH64s and UH60s because the smaller birds couldn't operate at the higher altitude of Fort Carson. The differences between TO&E and MTO&E can be pretty interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is 1st Platoon, A Troop. Iím OK with the vehicles, but my dismounts sucked so I just repainted them in OD green. Anybody have any tips for painting BDUs?

Iím using these manuals as my guided for building my unit:

-FM17-95 Cavalry Operations (1996)
-FM 17-97 Cavalry Troop (1995)
-FM 17-98 Scout Platoon (1999)
-FM 3-20.90 Tank and cavalry HHC and HHT (2004)
-FM 3-90.1 Tank and Mechanized Infantry Company Team (2002)




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those interested, I entered "FM 17-95"in my searchbar and up it came, downloadable as a PDF. I'm sure it will work for the rest.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee whiz, the last time I heard if 3rd ACR, it was at Ft Bliss!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice vehicles! With all the uniforms these days, who can say we won't be back to good old OD fatigues. Simplicity.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is A Troop's headquarters with mortar and maintenance sections.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More good stuff.

I think the GHQ M88 is on the small side of scale. What day you?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you keep mortars at company or send them to platoons, or was it situational?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The actual M88 model is about the same size as the M1A2, but it looks small in the picture because I put the maintenance section in the back. I don't recall them being bigger than an Abrams, but it's been a while so maybe I should check the specs to see what the dimensions were.

The times that I was around armored cavalry, they kept their mortars at the troop level, but there may have been times when they attached them directly to a platoon for a specific mission. But I was never an armored cav guy myself. I was in a BRT as a striker platoon leader way back in the day. We did have a troop from the DivCav squadron attached to our task force in Iraq, but that was a strange situation and we kept the mortars on the FOB most of the time.

I collaborated with some arty guys in 3rd ACR, and later with the arty guys in 1-4 CAV at 1st ID (When H.R. McMaster was the squadron commander - I wasn't a big fan of HR!). As far as I know, they all kept the mortars at the troops level most of the time and the troop FSO had informal control of them. They were quick as hell to fire a mission since they only had to have fires cleared at the troop level!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BRT? Tell me sometime what you think of Styker. I could see a company of them backing up a squadron, but not on line with the M1s and M3s.

Not familiar with HR as a commander, but I liked his book. His personality strikes me as necessary in a good cavalry leader. Maybe headstrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a number of M88s. They seem to be small next to M60A1s, M48s.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they're supposed to be pretty close to the same size. My M88 and M1A2 models look like they're about the same size, and according to my in-depth research on wikipedia the M88 is about 27 feet long and the M1 hull s 26 feet.

I was a Striker platoon leader (with an 'I') and you're thinking of the Stryker vehicles (with a 'Y'). All of the DS artillery battalions used to have a COLT platoon (Combat Observation Lasing Teams). COLT was 6 teams in FIST-Vs. Then they transitioned the COLT platoon into the Striker platoon (stands for Strike Reconnaissance). This still had 6 teams, but they operated in HMMWVs and they were supposed to go deeper. In 2000 when the Army created the Brigade Reconnaissance Troops they were supposed to have 2 scout platoons and the Striker platoon. Sometimes it took them a while to get up to strength and all they had were the Strikers though.

I never served in a Stryker unit, but they were around in our sector in Iraq. They were pretty good for convoy escorts and for moving into an area quickly and quietly. I can't see them standing up to real armor, but they seemed to work OK for what we used them for at the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx for the clarification. There is a lot I dont know about stuff after the mid '80s. Things were simpler in my times, if only because they were my times..."back in the 'black boot army."
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