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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More likely in the hands of the KDF's army. Where did they find those old Vehicles?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mortars are a MANEUVER support weapon, found, at least, in British and US armor battalions as well as infantry battalions. They are there to respond quickly to the unit's immediate needs for indirect fire. The bigger GUNS of an artillery battery or battalion may not be available (there is usually a priority of support and your unit may not be it) or it may not be appropriate to use the bigger GUNS for a particular situation. Co-located with artillery batteries/battalions, their range makes them useless for supporting the maneuver units, unless your artillery batteries are closer to the front line than they should be, in which case your artillery crews should be well-drilled in direct fire procedures and protected by infantry and armor, ANOTHER waste of assets due to improper employment of your weapons.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MechCommander wrote:
More likely in the hands of the KDF's army.


You could be right Mech! It was the same scrap dealer that went around Europe picking up old T-72's etc. Mr Bodgeit's scrap company later teamed up with a Mr Conem's engineering works in Karma-Naskis to form BC Engineering.
BC Engineering (Bodgeit & Conem) has been working with the KDF on M113 and T-72 fleet support.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PG has a very good point about the ranges of the howitzers and mortars. It's your army though and you can put them together if you want to. That gives you a really fat SP artillery battery though at 123 personnel by my math.

Battery HQ: 20 dudes to include a commander, XO, first sergeant, battery ops center, gunnery sergeant, chief of firing battery, commo NCO, NBC NCO, Supply NCO, Armorer, etc.

Howitzer troop: 40 dudes to crew 8 M109 howitzers and an FDC. Plus 2 dudes for troop HQ.

Mortar Troop: 38 dudes to include troop HQ, 8 81mm mortar sections in APCs, and an FDC

Ammo troop: 25 dudes with 12 M35 trucks to haul ammo.

Is that how you want your SP batteries to look?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enter "mission of the battalion mortar platoon" in your searchbar. This will result in a varied selection of articles on employment of mortars. It is very simple to find a few rudimentary facts about this essential combat support operation. No intellectual curiosity?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that's how a New Canadian Artillery battery will look, as seen in the army's doctrines regarding artillery.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you're talking crazy, Mech! Don't give up your light infantry's support weapons. And certainly don't replace them with LAWs. Remember that you're trying to reform your military - don't take a giant leap backward!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok the Mortars will stay with the light infantry.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One COULD download FM 7-90, The Tactical Employment of Mortars... if one wanted to bother to learn about them...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that keeping the mortars with the light infantry is a good call. They are already lacking in firepower so the mortars will be key.

Looking at the field manual as PG suggested is a great idea. You don't need to read it cover to cover, just go through the first chapter that outlines the role of mortars, how they are organized, and how they are employed. I have a pdf copy if you can't find it online.

So now that the SP artillery batteries are settled, the next question is how many batteries in a regiment? 3 batteries seems to be the standard.

Also,do you want forward observers and fire support guys as part of the howitzer regiment? If the regiment is going to be a part of a maneuver brigade the fire support teams are typically part of the artillery regiment. If the howitzer regiment is an independent regiment, or part of an artillery brigade, then they usually don't have fire support teams.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 Batteries, and the Artillery Regiments are independent.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so 3 batteries, plus the regimental HQ and a combat service support battery. You can probably maintain the same size regimental HQ of 55 dudes. You will need a regimental FDC for tactical fire direction, but the other staff sections can be a little smaller than in the infantry and armor HQs.

Do you have any idea where you want to put the fire support teams? You can go back to the infantry and armor battalions and add them there, or maybe a fire support battery that is part of a brigade HQ. I am assuming that you will be combining battalions and regiments into brigades.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCN Pacific fleet Headquarters, Esquimult.

A man from the Signals staff from CFS Aldergrove, runs up to the office of the Commander of the Pacific fleet Admiral Carson

(Knock on the Door)

(Admiral Carson): "Come"

(the Signals staffer walks in)

(Signals Staffer): "Admiral, our Station just intercepted a message coming out of Karma-naskis, heres the Transcript."

(Admiral Carson): (Reads the Transcript) "Karma-Naskis would welcome a port O'call by the RODS Fenris and the RODS Wolverine. The Navy has ships at sea off our Western coast, arrangements will be made for an escort to port. Details will be worked out in the coming days. Perhaps we should get some joint naval patrols or exercises going. We're always looking to learn from other professional navies!".

"What could those spotted dogs be doing working with the Reefer people? send this transcript to the Chief of the Defense staff in Ottawa, this is a rather..unexpected thing to happen."

(Signals Staffer): "Yes Sir."

(Admiral Carson): "In the meantime, I'll order a RCN aircraft squadron to send a Sunderland Recon aircraft to monitor the situation in the west coast, along with any vessels that are currently out on patrol in that area. But keep their distance, we do not want any problems."
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the Spotted Dogs’ recommendation for the SP Howitzer Regiment’s Combat Service Support Battery:

Battery Headquarters (8 Personnel)

Supply Troop (55 Personnel) trucks for moving food, fuel, general supplies, etc. Also field feeding.

Maintenance Troop (40 Personnel) recovery section with heavy tracked recovery vehicles and a maintenance section to perform maintenance and repairs. Also responsible for spare parts.

Medical Troop (34 Personnel) 6 ambulances and combat medics plus an aid station to treat patients.

Ammunition Troop (40 Personnel) 20 M35 trucks for moving artillery and mortar ammunition.

Survey Troop (12 Personnel) 4 survey teams to establish location and direction control that is necessary for firing artillery and mortars accurately.


A total of 189 dudes with this organization.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good enough.
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