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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, regia-marina, the painters did do a fantastic job.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts on the future line up of modern ships:

The US and UK post-cold war ships that aren't being made by GHQ are fairly limited. Now that the Whidbey Island LPD, adding a Harpers Ferry LPD isn't pressing. The Navy hasn't decided on a new frigate design. Pretty much the only new ship that hasn't been done is the America LHA. For the UK, neither the Type 26 or 31 frigates are available. That pretty much leaves the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier.

For China, there are a lot of Type 056 corvettes and they have been exported. The Type 055 destroyer is also fitting out and would be a good counter to the Bunker Hill CGs. The latest Type 002 carrier is in trials, so it seems a bit soon.

For Japan, the Atago destroyers have been around for a while and the first Maya destroyer was launched as was the Asahi destroyer.

Finally for Russia, while they have few of the Gepard frigates, Vietnam has four and plans two more. The Tarantul corvette is widely used by Russia and a large number of countries including Vietnam. The Admiral Gorshkov, which looks very cool, has one active ship and six to fifteen are planned, so if not this year, then likely in the next few years.

So my picks are:

UK - Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier
China - Type 056 corvette or Type 055 destroyer
Japan - Atago destroyer
Russia - Gepard frigate or Tarantul corvette
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I now predict that I'm not getting any better at guessing which Micronauts are going to be produced.....
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two of five for the moderns isn't bad, CG2.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since last December I have been repainting little by little my Regia Marina. I was just wondering today as I sat in front of the Trento if I am the only one to do this. Just questioning my sanity I suppose. I would really be curious to know from others on the forum if you have repainted your micronauts at some point.

Many of my ships I originally painted when I was in college and after graduation in the early 90's. As I have acquired books from Italy and elsewhere on the proper paint schemes and of course the advent of the internet, I realized that my paint schemes weren't as accurate as they could be. Has anyone else here gone back and repainted their ships?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

regia-marina,

I did try to repaint - kinda - a few ships once, but not for the same reason you are doing it.
Back in the 90s, before I got into 2400s, I was trying to paint two of those 700 scale U.S carriers in MS-32, using the Floating Drydock paint chips to mix my colors. The mixed paints kept going bad before I could finish, & I never could match the former color with a remix. So, I would paint over what I'd already done so it wouldn't look bad. After about three cycles I got tired of it and quit.

More recently, I had just finished touching up an ms-32 pattern on a 2400 scale DD. I was looking it over to see if I'd missed anything, when I dropped it - - right into the open paint pot!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee-
Dropping it into the paint is the worst! I feel for you especially after all that work. This repainting that I've been doing is keeping my shipyard busy and at the end of the day when I am gaming them it does give one a certain pride when their ships look good. Anyway, it's all about enjoying the hobby.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

regia-marina,

Yeah! I was really angry when I dropped the ship into the paint, but it makes for a great story now. Some day I'll have to relate the story, from more than 50 years ago, when I tried to build a large Revell fully-rigged model of the U.S.S. Constitution, with two toddlers in the house. I came SOO Close!

I assume you're repainting your Italian ships in camo patterns (if it is the Italians you're doing). D you have the "B" & "B" book (I can't remember the full names of the authors rt. now) from Italy? I based all of my Italian camo painting on the patterns in the book, using WEM enamel paints. WEM (an English Co.) is out of business, now, although someone in this country was producing at least some of the colors a few years ago, but I still have some colors left over just in case somebody puts out a good (or even halfway decent) Taranto model. Or another Italian DD class!

I'm painting 16 Netherlands ships right now (includes 3 BCs from Shapeways). I had some (poor) pictures of Dutch camo patterns for a few ships, but can't find them now (lost in an 800 sq. ft. apt, no less), so I'm just painting them a neutral light grey. For anyone who's saying: "Dutch Battlecruisers??" right now, they were working on plans for a set of 3 when the Germans invaded. The Dutch ships would have been equivalent to the Scharnhorsts, with three triple 11" turrets.

The last big group of ships I have left to paint is the U.S. DDEs in MS-31 & 32 patterns. Don't know when I'll get around to them,as I need to get cataract surgery first so I can see what I'm doing. Also, I painted a bunch of Fletchers in all their versions of the MS-31/32 patterns, so I'm not that excited about doing the same patterns over again.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep,I am using the book, La Mimetizzazione delle Navi Italiane 1940-45 (B and B book). You can't go wrong with it. I've also been working on my German ships. I have the 2 volumes of German Naval camo set and have been working through the Kriegsmarine too.

Hey, best of luck with the surgery. It drives me crazy that my eyesight isn't what it once was. I have to use reading glasses and a magnifying lamp to paint now. At any rate I commiserate with you. Please post pictures when your Dutch ships are done. We'd love to see them as well as your DDE's.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee wrote:
I assume you're repainting your Italian ships in camo patterns (if it is the Italians you're doing). D you have the "B" & "B" book (I can't remember the full names of the authors rt. now) from Italy?
Have you seen "Italian Naval Camouflage of World War II"? Glossy pages, colour camo. Some merchant camouflage. Any opinions on it?

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but I still have some colors left over just in case somebody puts out a good (or even halfway decent) Taranto model.
I'm sure you know that Taranto is a German Magdeburg. Have you considered modifying the GHQ WW1 model into Taranto? Be a bit of work

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I had some (poor) pictures of Dutch camo patterns for a few ships, but can't find them now (lost in an 800 sq. ft. apt, no less), so I'm just painting them a neutral light grey.
De Ruyter starboard https://i.imgur.com/NggPxq9.jpg De Ruyter port https://img844.imageshack.us/img844/2769/dramidships.jpg De Ruyter port https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/HNLMS_De_Ruyter.jpg

Tromp from starboard sometime before the Battle of the Sunda Strait. Her aft superstructure has been cut back to give Y turret greater traverse. The two twin bofors have been moved to the centerline and the more forward one raised to fire over the aft one. The aft director is raised slightly. The goal post mast has been removed although the starboard post has been retained. It's not after her damage from Sunda Strait as she doesn't have the two three inch guns, no 20mm, no gun tubs on B and Y turrets. I have a another picture, not online, from the book Cruiser HNLMS Tromp. In that photo the goalpost is still present. https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/tromp-class-light-cruiser-hr-ms-tromp-d-28-of-the-koninklijke-marine-as-she-appeared-in-late-1941.jpg?w=640
There is another starboard photo https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/netherlands-east-indies-c-1941-02-starboard-side-view-of-the-dutch-flotilla-cruiser-tromp.jpg?w=479

Java port side https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5107/5636869504_9f58938984_b.jpg
Java starboard side https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcollections.museumvictoria.com.au%2Fcontent%2Fmedia%2F2%2F426502-small.jpg&f=1
Java starboard http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Cruisers/Java_camouflage_thumb.jpg

Admiralen class Evertsen(?) https://i.imgur.com/QvDySjb.jpg
This is the only camouflaged Dutch destroyer, during the Java campaign, that I have found. Of course there aren't any left after the campaign.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend this book for the Dutch if you haven't got it : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dutch-Warships-World-War-II/dp/B004DLZR78/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=Dutch+Warships&qid=1564810041&s=gateway&sr=8-5
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG2 wrote:
I recommend this book for the Dutch if you haven't got it : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dutch-Warships-World-War-II/dp/B004DLZR78/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=Dutch+Warships&qid=1564810041&s=gateway&sr=8-5
It's unavailable. At least I cannot find a copy, new or used.

Do you have it?

If so is it the source of the drawings with green in the camo? In any actual pictures, far too few, there doesn't appear to be any colours except light grey and dark grey.

I would absolutely love to find the date of the bofors repositioning. Cruiser Tromp has nice photos but the vast majority are prewar and some number post the Java campaign. I think there are fewer than 5 that are near. None of the photos have solid dates. No camouflage means prewar. British camouflage means post campaign.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I do. the illustrations show the light grey as having a greenish tinge to it on the cruisers with the destroyers being a much more standard light grey.The book only says that the Bofors were increased to twins rather than repositioned and for Heemeskerck they were replaced by a quadruple 2pdr when she had her AA refit (apparently caused by the gunnery directing equipment being left behind in Holland making the main armament ineffective!). The quadruple 2pdr was again replaced by 4 twin Bofors later in the war but no date is given.

Tromp seems to have had the Admiralty Standard UK camouflage of light grey with a dark hull bar looking like a shortened hull painted on the sides in 1944/45 and she had Bofors at this point. Between 42 and 44 she had a 3-tone scheme of light grey with dark grey and mid-grey shapes. Before that it seems to be the all-over greenish-tinged light grey.

If you send me a message with an e-mail address I'll try and scan it in and send it to you.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG2 wrote:
Yes I do. the illustrations show the light grey as having a greenish tinge to it on the cruisers with the destroyers being a much more standard light grey.The book only says that the Bofors were increased to twins rather than repositioned and for Heemeskerck they were replaced by a quadruple 2pdr when she had her AA refit (apparently caused by the gunnery directing equipment being left behind in Holland making the main armament ineffective!). The quadruple 2pdr was again replaced by 4 twin Bofors later in the war but no date is given.

Tromp seems to have had the Admiralty Standard UK camouflage of light grey with a dark hull bar looking like a shortened hull painted on the sides in 1944/45 and she had Bofors at this point. Between 42 and 44 she had a 3-tone scheme of light grey with dark grey and mid-grey shapes. Before that it seems to be the all-over greenish-tinged light grey.

If you send me a message with an e-mail address I'll try and scan it in and send it to you.
I have read that it has some errors. For example it has a camo pattern for De Ruyter that is incorrect.

Tromp had two twin Bofors from completion. Lots of photos show this.

I traced down a photo of Tromp just before Badung Strait. I had seen it before but without a proper date. This https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/305843/ is the Australian Government Archive. You have to page down some but they identify it as just before Badung Strait. The camo is listed as the common Dutch patterns and only two shades of grey. The Bofors are mounted on the centerline with the forward one superfiring over the aft mount. You can also see the aft superstructure is cut severely providing for increased arc of fire for Y turret.

It doesn't appear that the ships boats on the aft superstructure need moving.

The two positions that stick out on each side on top of the bridge should have a Royal Navy style water cooled twin .50 Vickers mount

I want to modify my GHQ Tromp to be as it was during the Java Campaign.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QUESTION!!

Does anybody know what color the Dutch warship light guns (and DD main gun barrels) were painted? I can"t really tell from the pictures I have.

Regia-Marina,

I don"t think that the Gods of Practical Jokes want me to get my yes fixed I tottered up to my local optometrist twice last week to get an appt. to confirm that my worsening eyesight IS cataracts, and to get a referral for cataract surgery. (I need to make sure everyone'll accept my insurance). They were closed on Thursday, & had just gone out for lunch on Friday. Maybe the third time will be the charm (I could just call, but that's too easy - & I really need the exercise.) Gotta get the eyes done B4 long, as I'll be 80 next year and will have to renew my driver's license. I may have to wait 'till after my birthday to get my knee replaced, just in case DMV wants meto do a road test.

I'm afraid that my Dutch ships will only be painted a light neutral gray, although I'm thinking of doing that DD pattern that Dragon6 sent. Too hard to see clearly,enough these days, particularly after the morning. I don't have a working camera right now, so I can't get pictures for posting. (Also, only have a flip phone, not a smart phone. That could get me in real trouble if I'm mugged for my "valuable" phone. Smile If I could, I'd like to show off my Italian fleet - all in camo. MY fleet includes the Andrea Doria - in a "fishbone" pattern, painted in light green and that dark blue that someone(s) once thought the Italians used. The fleet also has TWO fleet carriers - Aquila and "Re Umderto" (my idea only) - in some kinda camo pattern. I'd also particularly like to show off my Fletcher DDs. I've painted all of the MS 31 & 32 (and MS12m) patterns, mostly the 'official' drawings, but a few ships have specific variations on specific ships. OTOH, I haven"t done any of the "highlighting", etc. that some of our better modelers can do.

My German fleet is pretty much finished (except for that Gneisenau that came out a few years ago),many in camo, & I've done all The U.K. ships that are available in metal. Most of my U.K. DDs are CinC. It took a long time tp paint their patterns up, so iy's unlikely that I'll be doing them over with GHQ ships. (Incidentally, the aft gunhouses of the CinC N class DDs faced forward, as I remember, as in history, and the GHQ J/K class DDs aft gunhousse correctly faced aft (or vice versa - its been awhile since I looked at them.)

Has anybody ever tried to do the "zebra" pattern, on a 2400 scale ship, that the French carrier Bearn carried?

Another thing I've never done, is to put the striping on carrier decks, partly because I'm a free-hand painter. Those CV deck decals produced by one of our forum members came out pretty much after I'd completed my CVs, Also, I've got 114 or more CVs, CVEs, etc> & I'm too cheap to spend $700 - 800 for decals.

Dragon6 -

Thanks for the dutch camo info. I recognize some of the pictures as what I once had (still do---SOMEWHERE!!) I see that Dutch fleet book doesn't appear to be available, but there is, or used to be , a book store here in Oakland that had a whole lot of used military history books. It used to be a block away from where I worked, but moved sometime after I retired. Afew years ago it was in downtown Oakland, where parking is terrible. but I don't remember where it was or what its name was. Still, if it was accessible it'd be worth a trip to see if it might possibly have that Dutch book.
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